07 Jul 2006
Posted by J. Angelo Racoma as Business, Economics, The Internet, Work
I’ve had it with petty bickerings in government and among politicians in this quaint little country of mine. People talk about big-time issues like constitutional change, corruption and the like, but people still seem to advance their own interests, while sacrificing the welfare of the rest of us in the process. This is why I choose to be apolitical. I’ve never voted in my entire life. Some might say I’m wasting the potentials of my vote. But what worth would that vote be if the supposed wisdom of the masses (which is the point of democracy) produces crappy leadership (and perhaps followership)?
And we know that crappy leadership causes instability in the economy, which causes us to remain poor, which causes people to have the tendency to make wrong decisions*, which causes us to choose crappy leaders.
Or at least the economist in me would say that.
*I have no bias against the poor, but I think to uplift one’s status in life, one has to think rich!
We are at 12% rate of unemployment and 20% of the workforce is underemployed.
We have a million people leaving the country each year to work overseas as nannies, caregivers and domestic helpers (most, though not all), when a lot of these people used to have knowledge-based work or at least white-collar work—as accountants, teachers, and the like—in the country. I have nothing against offering care to those who need it (hey, my kids need a nanny. Give me a buzz if you know someone!) or doing household work, which is also an honorable means to make a living. However, I just don’t feel it’s right to let one’s profession and skills atrophy just because the pay is better in nominal terms somewhere else.
They are considered modern-day heroes. They send in money from abroad in the form of remittances to their families here. They bolster our economy by contributing to the supply of foreign currency in circulation (which keeps the value of the Peso from falling, but that might be a concern for the export sector—but, alas, we digress).
But this is at the expense of family life. Imagine, mother and father leaving their kids under the care of relatives or other people just to make a decent living.
The other side of the coin is the trend of offshored businesseses coming into the country. Yes, it’s cool that foreign companies choose to outsource their transaction-based jobs here to us. There are the call centre agents, the medical transcriptionists, and the technical support people. There are also other white-collar undertakings such as accounting, software development and the like.
However, I still consider it to be unfair to the people involved, namely those who are employed in the BPO sector. My reason? It’s the companies that gain much of the benefit. Granted, they set up the infrastructure and they take on the overhead for operations. This emboldens them to take a big cut of the compensation pie. When American, British, or other European firms pay about $1,000 to $1,500 per month per call centre seat, the actual call centre agent only gets about PhP 15,000 to 20,000 (or $300 to 400) of that amount. Add to that the health issues brought about by having to work in shifts and having to change shifts every so often (which is a practice in the industry), then guess who’s on the losing end?
There must be another way.
Here’s a simple proposal of mine.
I believe there is a good pool of talented people in the Philippines just waiting to be tapped. For instance, I write. And I know people who write really well (in fact, I’ve gone as far as hiring them to work with the company I’m involved with). I also know people who can develop great web apps and create Go Ogle worthy designs, whether on their own or under the guidance of foreign visionaries.
In fact this is what we do at Enthropia. Just one of the many things, actually. There are a handful of us here in the country (as well as in other Asian countries) working on our projects and we’re on a mobile/home-based working arrangement.
We basically render work for our North America-based mother entity (likewise a lean team) and they pay us for our services. Directly. And not having to pass through some big-ass company that will take a big chunk off our earnings.
We don’t have a glitzy office in Makati or Eastwood, nor do we plan to set one up anytime soon. We each pay for our own equipment and infrastructure. We feel this current arrangement of ours lets us be robust enough to accomplish what has to be done without all the administrative overhead.
Call it freelancing. Call it the informal sector. Call it the underground economy.
Other people probably aren’t aware of the possibility that one can work for foreign companies without passing through intermediaries (or middlemen) here, nor actually going abroad. And if they were, most of the time the hindrance would be the means by which money can be transmitted.
You can render a service and send whatever needs to be sent or done by email (or IM or SMS) but money’s a different thing altogether.
Yes, there are a handful of remittance services, but here’s the problem:
If only we had PayPal in the Philippines, then I think we would be able to open to the world better means to access to our pool of talent.
In the course of my freelance work as a writer/blogger I’ve had clients who paid via money transfer and it took days, and it was expensive. Xoom? It’s a good mid-way solution, but still not as convenient as having the real deal (PayPal). After all, they still get a cut, and the paying party still has to register for an account, where his PayPal details would then be keyed in.
There’s my simple thesis.
Having PayPal in the country would greatly benefit the following people:
and virtually anyone else who can render services remotely while corresponding via the Internet. Their correspondents can pay simply by clicking a few buttons, and that’s it.
This would be a great opportunity for both sides, as it will open up access to the supply of good talent, and as well as open up access to those who are on the demand-side.
Who said perfect capital mobility should be impossible? In this day and age, where knowledge—or rather Knowledge with a capital K—is the foremost capital, mobility knows no geographic bounds!
However, PayPal won’t deal with us. It’s probably because we have a history of having potential for money laundering activities. Or maybe it’s because of poor security in banking or credit card transactions.
The point is that we have to lobby for inclusion as a PayPal enabled country.
If our Anti-Money Laundering Act is crappy, then we should lobby for a change for the better. If implementation is poor, then we should lobby for stricter enforcement.
I’ve had a talk with an esteemed gentleman from the country’s Liberal political family, and he’s very much interested with my idea. I know this is not an original idea of mine (the need for access to online financial transactions, namely PayPal), but probably other people haven’t brought it up to the level of actually trying to do something about it.
Here’s our chance. Let’s join forces, organize, and formalize so we can better forward our cause. I’m probably not the best person to mobilize people but I sure do have a lot of ideas.
Anyone wanna be involved in this?
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In mainstream media (papers, blogs, etc.)
Posted elsewhere:
Update, 2006-07-20 1500H: We’re setting up an advocacy site, www.paypal4ph.com. Right now, the site redirects to this blog post until we come up with something better. Credits to Jason for setting up the domain and hosting. Ia will be doing the logo, and Phillip would be helping me out with the writeups (the blurbs, taglines, etc.). I hope to be able to come up with a whitepaper of sorts, as Migs suggested in a comment below.
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129 Responses
taorist
July 7th, 2006 at 11:11 am
1Count me in
!
Let’s support PayPal4dPhilippines!
Of all the posts I’ve read here, this has to be the most passionate and logical you’ve done.
BRAVO!
Hopefully, with Paypal, I’ll be getting donations for my first PC. LOLZ
(self-serving ba?)
Greg Moreno
July 7th, 2006 at 2:07 pm
2I’ve read before in some forum that it was HSBC who is blocking the entry of PayPal here. I don’t know if it is true.
jhay
July 7th, 2006 at 2:28 pm
3By all means! I’ve been scouring the net for paypal alternatives but sadly, there are none convenience-wise. I was excited by Google Checkout then again, since Google is still obsessed with rolling out “beta” programs and services, that other companies may take negatively, eBay for example it seems that we have to resort to this, lobbying for PayPal to include our country in its services if we are to take up the ideas you’ve put forward. Great ideas at that.
Besides, Isulong seoph, we have another battle…err blogging cry: PayPal4Philippines.
Noemi
July 8th, 2006 at 4:50 pm
4I want to help. Let me know how I can help. I don’t have an idea. If it’s to blog , I can do it.
taorist
July 8th, 2006 at 4:53 pm
5Yes! We have another blogger on our side! Ms. Noemi just proved that bloggers can make a difference.
http://aboutmyrecovery.com/2006/07/08/bayantel-ad-now-shows-a-satisfied-kid/
Mia
July 9th, 2006 at 12:50 am
6Oh, very nice post.
I’m in, of course. ;D
The Ca t
July 9th, 2006 at 1:16 am
7Although I have a paypal here in the US, i still like to have one in the Philippines.
Sige, isulong natin.
Corsarius
July 9th, 2006 at 3:34 am
8paypal for the philippines—yeah, preach the gospel, j
btw, i’ve written a supporting article, hehe.
Alfredo
July 11th, 2006 at 9:24 pm
9Banking system daw ng Pilipinas ang problem. I’ve read somewhere that most Philippine banks don’t accept paperless transactions especially from other countries. PayPal being the most used online way to send and receive money did not list PH because of this. Xoom on the other hand is one of the first to have ties with local banks (equitable pci) and will soon be the leading provider in online transactions.
But I still want my PayPal!
J. Angelo Racoma
July 11th, 2006 at 10:42 pm
10@Cath, err, Isulong PayPal Philippines? Heheh Or Isulong PayPalPH!
@Corsarius, thanks much! I’ve read it and it’s great writing as usual! We need more people to join in this advocacy.
@Alfredo, that’s too bad then. But I’ve been doing paperless transactions w/ some of my banks—those among the more progressive ones. Siguro we can start there. At least EQ-PCI, Metrobank, and even BPI are likely to be cool with PayPal-like transactions.
I’ve tried Xoom via EQ-PCI and it was pretty fast.
a8
July 14th, 2006 at 11:08 am
11Your proposal is good. Do you mind if I kind of use it for technews? Well, of course, with proper credits.
As a freelancer, I know how important Paypal is because if I only have paypal there are projects that I could have outbid the other bidder if I have paypal. Clients always say that they’ll pay via paypal and when I say ‘paypal is not available here in our country” they get discourage that even if they already see the beta of the webapps and they are really satisfied, they still back-out because of the payments. Wire transfer is expensive and xoom isn’t what they are expected. I know that there are a lot of alternative but paypal brings more than just security but credibility too.
Let’s push for this one. Hopefully, one of the good politicians will hear us and do something about.
J. Angelo Racoma
July 14th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
12@Albert, thank you for the interest. I’d be glad if you could cite/feature this article on your site.
JC John SESE Cuneta
July 14th, 2006 at 5:54 pm
13Hmm… this means that the Philippines will have to be dead serious with improving local banks which is PayPal’s major reason why they removed the Philippines from their list of PayPal-enabled countries. Their next major reason is that banks want a very very very high cut for the revenues the Philippines will generate for PayPal (which they explained to me privately 4-5 years ago).
I’ll support it regardless.
Mike Abundo
July 14th, 2006 at 7:30 pm
14Our government loves IT sweatshops. IT sweatshops thrive on payment intermediation for IT services. You do the math.
One word: GBuy.
Information Narcosis
July 14th, 2006 at 7:56 pm
15Call for PayPal in the Philippines…
Personally, I have zero faith in both PayPal and the Philippine government (even though I chose their frickin’ domain name), and most Philippine banks are incredibly clueless, but what the Hell: I support J. Angelo Racoma’s call for PayPal in the Phi…
Mike Abundo
July 14th, 2006 at 8:13 pm
16Oh, what the Hell. Dugg.
Mike Abundo
July 14th, 2006 at 9:08 pm
17Okay, Mike, is there really such a thing as a Mike Abundo Effect?
Not my idea, dude.
Forever Geek
July 14th, 2006 at 9:37 pm
18Can Bloggers Change the World?...
We’ve read the stories, and some may have even participated in the discussions. Blogs and Bloggers had been a force to contend with when it comes to hotly-debated issues, such as political ones. We’ve seen how bloggers had voiced their…...
Migs
July 15th, 2006 at 12:48 am
19My suggestion for J – since you’re an economist, maybe you could format this blog post into a white paper?
Captain's Log
July 18th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
20Pinoys Need PayPal!...
Bring PayPal back to the Philippines!...
J. Angelo Racoma
July 19th, 2006 at 11:11 pm
21@Migs, will do just that.
@Jepoy, thanks for the post/link.
Edwin
July 20th, 2006 at 6:39 am
22Sorry to butt in pero diba kaya nde tayo puwede sa paypal dahil high risk tayo? I mean We are laden with credit card frauds second to romania?
Felix
July 20th, 2006 at 10:46 am
23Instead of hoping for a foreign competitor to provide us with a much needed service, are there no pinoy entrepreneurs out there willing/capable of setting up similar services?
I currently live in Beijing, China … here, many of the risks described above also exist:
1. Weak banking system
2. High risk of credit card fraud
3. Cash-only culture
And yet, online/mobile payment systems are profilerating like crazy … all of them coming up with some innovation solution to address the country-specific issues. Are we really so incapable of doing the same that the grand plan is to beg paypal for inclusion?
J. Angelo Racoma
July 20th, 2006 at 11:00 am
24@Edwin, if there’s need to improve on our financial systems, then that’s what we’d have to lobby for.
@Felix, We’re not begging for inclusion. We’ll have to work on what we have to improve to get included.
I think the Chinese market can afford to set up its own money transfer system—it’s a robust economy after all (feared to be the next economic superpower). But as for the Philippines, we do have local money transfer systems, some even mobile (like GCash and Smart Money), which would be accessible to many Pinoys. However, the issue is whether there is local demand for such. And if we were to have an efficient local-based service we’d just be circulating money within the economy.
ka edong
July 20th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
25Conceptually….
an enterprising paypal account owner in the US
a cheap remittance service to the Philippines
= PayPal for the Filipinos
This offshore paypal account owner can “collect” Paypal Payments on behalf of his Philippine-based clients then send the money to his clients via remittance service.
ka edong
(not the edwin in a previous comment)
Felix
July 20th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
26I like ka edong’s idea here … the cost will be higher for users because of the fee to the extra intermediaries, but probably preferrable to losing a freelance project altogether. The bigger issue is integrity of the intermediary. How to assure clients that it’s just not some fly-by-night that will collect money and disappear?
ka edong
July 20th, 2006 at 3:06 pm
27Felix,
How about ole reliable Johnny Aircargo? That’s a trusted company. And Johnny (yup, that’s the name of the owner) is very approachable.
let me look up Johnny’s email address and refer him to this thread.
ka edong
Mike Abundo
July 20th, 2006 at 3:17 pm
28ka edong: Good idea. PayPal, however, is a bunch of racists. They might shut down the operation if they found out it was receiving payments for Filipinos.
ka edong
July 20th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
29hi mike,
how about we try it out first?
Besides, as far as PayPal is concerned, their transaction ends within the US at the US-based entre-Pinoy’s Paypal account.
j4s0n
July 21st, 2006 at 9:33 am
30Actually the one of the real problems, is not just what comes in here but also what goes out. alot of times i have been wanting to buy something online just findin the only accept paypal for payment. well, not all merchants accept credit cards. i agree, i don’t like paypal also, and hope theres a damn good alternative for it. but the current market(well, not all) demands it, unless you don’t have one, you will not be able to buy and sell something freely against your competitors who have one. Sometimes payments are issue when you got a $20-$50 item/service to sell. Will they wire that amount? maybe…
Getting paypal means, expanding our products/service to a much broader market and a fast phase side-by-side transaction.
ka edong
July 21st, 2006 at 10:42 am
31j4son,
That’s good news for the US-based paypal entre-pinoy. Because that means there’s less “real” money transport needed.
entre-pinoy just maintains two pots of money, USPot (tied to his paypal account) and PhilPot in Phils.
For payments to Phils:
He receives paypal payments on behalf of pinoys in Phils and puts the money in USPot. He then takes money from his PhilPot and delivers it to the Pinoy in Phils.
For payments FROM Phils:
Entre-pinoy receives payment from Pinoy (e.g. j4son) and puts this in PhilPot. Entre-pinoy then takes money from his USPot and makes the PayPal payment on behalf of j4son to j4son’s merchant/seller.
In the above two schemes, there’s no actual transfer of money (remittance) between the two countries. Just a juggling of money between the two pots like a clearing house.
jepoy
July 21st, 2006 at 12:02 pm
32@ka edong – paypal keeps on asking me to verify my card and change my password… nadedetect yung IP ko na nasa pinas ako
noemi
July 21st, 2006 at 2:38 pm
33why not for a start allow us to open a paypal account with someone in a paypal-enabled country? I mean some of us might have a bank account in the states. and then unban us from accessing paypal website in the Philippines? That could be the first step. I know that this is being done already. The IP detection is there.
Just allow the Philippines to access a paypal account in the states or paypal enabled country.
Edwin
July 22nd, 2006 at 2:19 pm
34J. Angelo.
opps gonna delete my cc cards stashed on my d: drive)
Its not the banking system I am worried because we have a world class banking system here in the philippines. The main reason that paypal “said” that the reason why filipinos is not accredited is that we are frauders. I was at first a little bit shocked (how dare they
We have to make paypal see us that we are no longer a carders country.
Stormpay is availabe for us. E-gold too. Even Alertpay or any other payment processors other than paypal accept us. But if you still want paypal than we can create a paypal clone that is compatible with the terms and condition of paypal. You can count me in on that. I can also devote my time and expertise on that endeavor.
We can also force ebay philippines to give us paypal. if we boycott ebay philippines so that they will allow us to have a paypal account so be it.
Don’t forget we are pinoys. we can force anyone to do anything for us if we just do what we say and not do what I say attitude.
Abs
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:39 pm
35Hahaha PAYPAL. I think they dont want to open here. I suggest you just use and you can buy or exchange your currency through pinoygoldexchange.net or search other exchanger.. cause there are really a lot. And this is world wide.
Abs
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:41 pm
36Ooops wrong code. . This is the site.
Abs
July 22nd, 2006 at 6:49 pm
37Damn im not really good in coding. Just press the the “this is the site”. And read about the site. for more details. ive been using that already for half a year. most shops now is starting to use that.
J. Angelo Racoma
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 am
38Abs, are you an e-gold affiliate (judging from the URL you gave, it seems so). We did some research on payment gateways back when I was with dotPH and we thought e-gold was quite expensive for merchants (i.e., large cuts, high volume requirements, etc). Have these policies changed now? Thanks.
J. Angelo Racoma
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 am
39Edwin, I do think our being a high-risk country in terms of fraud is a problem. You seem to have experience with the banking industry. What would you propose we do to resolve this? One workaround I see is for Paypal to go debit instead of credit here. Why not link Philippine PayPal accounts to existing deposit or debit card accounts instead of credit card, if that’s what they’re worried about. At any rate, it’s not PayPal who would be carrying the burden of bad credit. It’s the banks! In fact, it’s not even the banks, for they’re insured for their losses.
At any rate, I don’t think I’ll be satisfied with
J. Angelo Racoma
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:53 am
40Ka Edong, Felix, Noemi:
I don’t think I’ll be satisfied with a third-party solution. For one, let me ask you whether you use Google and whether you still use other, smaller search engine providers. It’s most likely that you don’t, and that you only resort to using others (say Yahoo, MSN, or even Yehey) when you’re doing specialized searches. But that’s really the exception rather than the rule, is it?
My point is that PayPal—whether it’s good or bad—is practically the de facto standard for e-payments. It’s a branding thing. It’s most likely not the image (as I’ve read much about paypal nightmares) but still the alternatives are just not yet significant enough to do much in terms of what we want to achieve—and that is to get people the ability to freely (or cheaply and easily) transfer funds here.
I’d say most of my contacts and prospective clients would have easy access to paypal, having used it at least once in their dealings online. I’d rather not have them have to register anew with another provider just to be able to pay me.
Now going thru a middle-man (or person or entity) would probably be all right as an interim solution, but some companies do this already, such as Xoom. Thing is, Xoom also requires people to register anew (apart from their paypal accounts), and that might turn people off.
As for US-based entrepreneurs acting as middle-men, it could be done, but it would be cumbersome and would require some system to sort out how much goes to whom, and how to actually get the money here, and how to transfer/transmit the money to the intended recipients here.
The clearinghouse concept is good. That means we have no “laundering” issues to worry about. But again, there has to be a clear system and process that would determine which money goes to whom. And also, it should be as easy as person A from the US or Europe or wherever paying person B in the Philippines as if the paypal transaction would be direct. Again, I would rather not have people register for separate accounts just to be able to pay me.
So PayPal4PH it still is!
J. Angelo Racoma
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:54 am
41Mike, everyone’s racist these days, eh?
J. Angelo Racoma
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:55 am
42j4s0n, paypal4ph !
Mike Abundo
July 23rd, 2006 at 11:37 am
43Just PayPal, Angelo.
mm
July 26th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
44paypal4ph
count me in
jozzua
July 28th, 2006 at 2:30 pm
45Emailing my friends about this. There is a nice discussion at the ebay.ph why PayPal was removed from the Philippines.
Xmarbe
July 30th, 2006 at 3:03 am
46I have been doing auctions with Ebay for sometime now and would like to extend this opportunity to my Lupang Hinirang… sad to know that our banking system and pocketlicians have the cons on it.
Beautynomics
July 31st, 2006 at 12:30 am
47I strongly agree that Paypal should be offered in the Philippines. This can boost the Philippine economy, and we might just be surprised with the magnitude of its potential effects. Drat, we need Paypal
! I’m so not for third party solutions. P-A-Y-P-A-L!
meinardus
August 3rd, 2006 at 11:05 am
48hi, angelo, very good initiative. i hope it works. a few things have bothered me more than not being able to use my credit card from the philippines for buying online. i hope paypal can solve that problem. there seems to be some distrust regarding this country in the international banking/credit card system and you give an explanation (laundering) i have heard before. if you succeeed you have done a great job.
J. Angelo Racoma
August 4th, 2006 at 5:02 am
49@mm, we need all the help we can get. Thanks!
@Jozzua, thanks for spreading the word. We need support from entrepreneurs like you.
@Xmarbe, I’ve read about eBay minting millions for some people in the west. Too bad it’s a bit difficult here with cumbersome payment systems.
@Beautynomics, thanks for the support. Third party solutions are sometimes ok, but there’s no substitute for something that’s as popular and easy-to-use as PayPal.
@RM, thank you for the support. I, too, hope things work out well.
Andrew Kim
August 7th, 2006 at 12:06 pm
50Hello everyone here!
I’ve just read an article from Inquirer regarding PayPal issues. As a foreigner who runs a business here in Philippines, one thing I feel the most inconvinient and ridiculous about this country is the inefficient banking system and lack of serviceship of banks, which, in most of other countries, will not happen. I truly support this idea of having payment gateway solutions in this country because if banks do not or will not provide good services for clients, then somebody else should do it. Banks in this country needs to compete, which will lead to a better and cheaper services to clients. They just don’t care and do not follow the global trend in this industry.
Andrew Kim
August 7th, 2006 at 12:11 pm
51By the way, there are many other solutions which will enable payment gateway services other than Pay Pal. Believe me
There are tons of solutions in Korea. A person who has multi accounts in multi banks can use only one integrted internet banking site to make transactions using so-called “Screen Scrapping” technology. Also there is a soluon for so-called “Virtual Account” to make bank transactions anywhere anytime without log on to its own bank internet banking website or telebanking calls.
gary
August 7th, 2006 at 12:44 pm
52Hi J Angelo. Question: if it was profitable for Paypal to set up operations here, do you suppose they would do so on their own?
J. Angelo Racoma
August 8th, 2006 at 2:25 am
53Thanks for visiting, Andrew. Banks here are are not really inefficient, but they’re more of closed systems that don’t talk to each other. Their services are pretty damn expensive, too. Money transfers cost so much, even when it’s just local.
There are other solutions for online banking, yes. I, myself, use my own banks’ online facilities—but they don’t interact with each other. I have no way of easily (or inexpensively) transferring funds from an account in one bank to the other, much less other people’s accounts (without having to enroll them first).
J. Angelo Racoma
August 8th, 2006 at 2:26 am
54Hi Gary. I don’t think PayPal is focusing on Asia right now, and they may never do so. But it might be pointless to set up here without support from the banks. For one, it would be difficult to withdraw funds received via PayPal.
Andrew Kim
August 8th, 2006 at 9:41 am
55Thanks for the reply, Angelo. That’s what I meant by “inefficiency” of banks here. They do not interact and fully connected so that expensive investment on their IT system is neither maximizing its full potential nor providing consumers convinience. Some other countries have a government-led clearing house which forces banks to connect directly to this clearing house so that every transaction can be processed in “real” time at much lower cost.
Eric C. Pilor
August 10th, 2006 at 9:42 pm
56Comment ko lang…..kung sinulat nyo yan sa tagalog lahat ng blogs nyo e di sana maraming makakaintinding Pinoy. ang hirap kasi sa mge henyong tulad nyo, puros kayo sulat ng Ingles, magsulat man kayo ng tagalog malalim naman. Ang susuporta sa inyo mga ilitista, sana naman maisip nyo na kung gusto nyong maabot ang majority ng mga Pinoy e isulat nyo sa sariling wika. Kahit gaano man kaganda ang isulat nyo dyan, iilan lamang sa mga ating kababayan ang makakaintindi at iintindihin ang mga sinusulat nyo. Baka nakakalimutan nyo di umaasenso ang edukasyon natin sa Pilipinas kaya wag nyong sabihin tumatalino ang mga Pinoy.
Komenta ko lang: Kung gusto nyong maabot ang nakakaraming Pinoy, mga OFW, mga normal na Pinoy na nagiinternet rin at mga estudyante (na 80% e sa isang public na eskwelhan).....mag tagalog kayo. Pero kung ingles pa rin, ok lang, siguro sisikat kayo sa ibang bansa, pero sarili nyong lahi, ewan. Ang gumising sa bandang Pinoy, ang Bamboo, kumanta ng sikat na Noypi, naintindihan kasi ng marami.
j4s0n
August 10th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
57well, even if we wrote this on tagalog. When they visit paypal.com, will they understand us in tagalog? I respect your opinion. But we are not following that. As your opinion is very lame.
Btw, you still have a few english words in your comment.
J. Angelo Racoma
August 10th, 2006 at 10:50 pm
58Sory to rain on your parade, Eric, but I’m an advocate of change coming from the thinking classes and not just anyone.
And believe me, this is for the good of all.
Jose Rizal wanted the same, I believe. I share his cause.
If you can afford internet access, you’re not even part of the majority of our countrymen who are in deep poverty.
We are in the same boat, don’t you think, Eric? Why don’t we stop pulling other people down. Crab mentality sucks, don’t you think?
At any rate, thank you for calling me a genius. Sad to say, I am not one. I’m just like everyone else. But I have a dream and I intend to pursue it.
J. Angelo Racoma
August 10th, 2006 at 10:54 pm
59Thanks for the comment, Andrew. Yes. That’s their inefficiency. They’re all islands that need to be bridged.
Actually the “PayPal for the Philippines” campaign is not only about PayPal per se, but what I envision is for our financial/banking system to be solid enough for entrepreneurs—especially online entrepreneurs—to be able to enjoy safe, secure, and convenient transactions online, particularly with clients abroad and locally.
J. Angelo Racoma
August 10th, 2006 at 10:55 pm
60Thanks for the comment Jason. Great work on paypalnow.com.ph by the way! Everyone’s entitled to his/her own opinion. Sometimes it just irks me how some would rather attack people and not the concepts.
That’s a very poor and immature way to argue.
webpirate
August 11th, 2006 at 9:56 am
61already sign-up to support paypal in the philippines, im sure this will be a great help for us webmasters, since paypal is the easiest way to accept money.
jerbau™
August 11th, 2006 at 4:58 pm
62This might just work! Think positive guys. What do we have to loose if Phil PayPal exist or this entire endeavor fizzles? Zit! So shaddap and sign-up now!
BRIAN
August 11th, 2006 at 5:04 pm
63I’ve been dealing business online and I know PayPal is the easiest way to send/receive money. Some Americans doesn’t want to do Western Union because they charge to high.
Another this is I’ve been emailing Paypal and letting them know that if they will venture in the Philippines they can definitely get tons of customers.
I hope to get a paypal soon
J. Angelo Racoma
August 12th, 2006 at 4:00 am
64@Webpirate, thanks for signing up. Yes, web developers and designers here stand to gain from this endeavor.
@Jerome, great seeing you here! Trademarked your name eh? Heheh.
@Brian, yes WU fees are high compared to other services. I do know they will get a ton of customers. We get about US$ 10 billion in remittances sent in annually by Filipino workers abroad (a good number from the US). Not that all of them are likely to have access to PayPal, but a chunk of that is sure worth the trouble setting up facilities here.
BRIAN
August 13th, 2006 at 12:43 am
65Exactly and I’m not understanding why these people can’t set up PayPal here. Well, let’s see what’s going to happened after few months or so but I do hope that we can get this PayPal working here.
goodspeed
August 22nd, 2006 at 8:33 am
66Great article & count me in.
Paypal (not-so) recently emailed me a later saying they opened a Singapore office. Just being hopeful, maybe things will be speeding up.
I setup my paypal account (let the donation begin http://go0dspeed.multiply.com) in HK. So far I don’t have problems in receiving money into it. Except for one major snag though, I need a Paypal-country credit card to fund (put money into) my paypal account. Which, sadly I don’t have.
Any non-HK resident can apply for a HK account for money laundering (I hope not). You can inquire when you travel there. They do speak English.
hardwyrd
August 22nd, 2006 at 2:04 pm
67I tried to signup with the petition, but seems the captcha is broken?
Raquel S.
August 26th, 2006 at 11:20 am
68I’m giving my 100% support for Philippine Paypal. I hope for an urgent positive result for this. Don’t waste time sign-up now!
Paypal for the Philippines » Touched by an Angel - Parenting, Family, Marriage, Netrepreneur, Lifestyle, Grief Education and Recovery
August 29th, 2006 at 9:05 am
69[...] Paypal for the Philippines J. Angelo Racoma entry on PayPal: One Great Way to Improve the Philippine Economy makes sense. If only we had PayPal in the Philippines, then I think we would be able to open to the world better means to access to our pool of talent. [...]
Support Paypal for Philippines Now » isulong seoph » Blog Archive - Search Engine Optimization
August 29th, 2006 at 9:25 am
70[...] We think having PayPal in the Philippines would help improve our economy! [...]
Paypal for Pinoys » SELaplana
August 29th, 2006 at 2:00 pm
71[...] I was already late reading the post of JRacoma on his blog the J. Spot, “PayPal: One Great Way to Improve the Philippine Economy“. This is all about having PayPal here in the Philippines. [...]
The Oneironaut » Paypal
August 30th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
72[...] I realized that I haven’t put up a banner of Paypal4ph yet, so i just put it up now. If you’re wondering what it is, check out my brother’s blog, it’s his initiative. And it’s a way of improving our economy Who wouldn’t want that? [...]
BizToolbelt
August 31st, 2006 at 1:37 am
73Improving developing countries via PayPal…
A lot of countries may take it for granted but having a PayPal service in places like the Philippines will drastically improve the economy. With more than 80% of the population below the poverty line, there is a huge disparity…...
Philippine Technology BLOG - Tech Stop Tech Stuff » Blog Archive » MySpace Joins Music Fray: Will Open Music Store Where Even You, Can sell
September 4th, 2006 at 2:57 pm
74[...] Paypal? Oh well, Filipinos could say ADIOS to this potential hit service as Paypal still doesn’t want a piece of Philippine Online Market. [...]
Rico
September 10th, 2006 at 2:13 pm
75I honestly don’t see what’s holding PayPal back. Moneybookers, the online money forwarding service I use to receive my problogging salary, has no qualms about dealing with the Philippines, or other “suspect” countries for that matter. Their verification process can be a little complicated (I had to wait for about a week for my verification code to arrive through mail to prove my address was valid), but my point is that through them, I still get my money. And I’m sure they make good money from the reasonable transfer fees they require.
Why can’t PayPal apply this kind of security to us? While we miss out on having access to a larger market, they miss out a potentially huge market.
Vegasfilamguy
September 11th, 2006 at 10:28 am
76How can you say “you’ve had it”? You have never even voted once in your life! Whine whine whine, and never even put your voice in. How sad!
I’m not going to say much more. It’s just really tough to complain about politics and economics when one doesn’t even exercise their own basic right to vote.
ibm_2100
September 12th, 2006 at 9:37 pm
77The middleman approach is fine. However, in contrast with Ka Edong’s suggestion re 2 pots (USPot and PHPot), we could suggest another approach. Instead of having a PHPot, we could use remithome.com service for sending the remittance from US to Phils (remithome offers better rates than xoom). With regards to Phil to US payments, well that’s another story.
We are interested in providing this kind of service (sort of virtual PayPal) but then, we are wondering how large the market really is (we need solid numbers pls). Also, we would like to know the average amount being remitted from US to Phils so the market will know if it’s better to offer them a flat-rate service fee or based on graduated amounts.
Pls let us know your feedback (with as much details as possible)
P.S. As far as this approach is concerned, think of it as outsourcing your PayPal account and order management needs (like sending money, processing refunds, cancellation, chargebacks, shipping, email notification etc)
Val
September 13th, 2006 at 3:16 pm
78there is a need.
jeremy
September 18th, 2006 at 9:38 pm
79count me in! i dont have any idea what to do tho…
Silver
September 27th, 2006 at 7:41 pm
80Count me in and I do hope that Paypal reconsiders and offer their services here. But alas, my contacts in the bank where I inquired regarding Paypal did tell me that one of the major reasons why Paypal refuses business with us is that we are high on the list of the countries in money laundering among other things. :/
I just hope that our petitions will make a difference.
ate mely
September 29th, 2006 at 4:52 pm
81I don’t like Paypal, anymore. I used paypal way back when internet was new. It seem safer then to use paypal than giving credit card # to a merchant online. However, maybe our combine creative juices can think of something that I maybe of help to your predicament.
I own a small US dollar to peso remittance business licensed in the state of New Jersey – Dollar to Phpeso, LLC.
Below are our policies to comply with US federal and NJ state anti-money laundering and anti-terrorism legislations.
1. Personal checks only accepted. No starter check accepted. $ender’s name must be pre-printed on check. Receiver’s name must be written on memo part of check. No cash accepted.
2. New clients accepted by referral only from clients who use and have use our service. New client information verified by phone or personal interview and from referring client.
3. Remittance over $3000., provide copy of govt issued ID (Driver’s license/State ID, Passport/Country issued, car registration).
4. Remittance over $1000 provide SSN/TIN/EIN.
5. Relationship of $ender & Receiver must be provided on remittance order form.
6. Remittances for bank deposit only in the Philippines 3-4 days after receipt of check. No peso deliveries.
ate mely
September 29th, 2006 at 5:17 pm
82Dollar to Phpeso, LLC fees:
Remittance up to $350 – $7.
Remittance amount > $350.- 2% of amount.
Ex: $400./$8. $450./9. $500./10. $550./11. $600./12.
Our exchange rate is 1% ( -10cents) less of average rate posted by PDS at the close of previous trading day.
Ex: today’s close is P50.18. Rate is P49.70. Our rate is about the same as US credit cards’ exchange rate.
Dollar to Phpeso, LLC pays for Philippine bank transaction deposit fees.
I am not soliciting for clients because US Bank Secrecy Act (BSA) is tedious for small business like us. We have enough clients just on referral. We have no advertising budget.
I want to help you budding entrepreneurs in the Philippines.
On our business domain – http://www.dollartophpeso.com, I posted my prayer/autobiography.
Online Marketer
October 4th, 2006 at 11:20 pm
83Hi –
I am involved in the online marketing industry since 2001 and have been making dollars here in my home for almost five years already in this so called “underground economy.”
Our government is always trying to appreciate (by calling them modern-day heroes and even exempting them from income taxes) our countrymen who are living the country to earn a decent living for their family here in our country and in return, adding a valuable source of foreign currencies here in our country.
However, our country haven’t recognized that a great portion of dollar earners are now from those who worked just from their home. What has been commonly know as “home-workers” or freelancers that earn dollars from home are as mentioned by the main blog:
Web developers,
Designers,
Photographers,
Writers,
Pro-bloggers,
You may Add, “Online Marketers” on the list as they have played a great rule in boosting the value of our Peso to Dollar. One of my colleagues here in this industry is earning US$10000 to US$20000 per month starting late last year and is maintaining until now. Just last month, he’d earned US$13000+ just in a single program that we have promoted.
There are now various of ways to PAID thru the internet using online payments that can just be withdrawn via debit cards on almost all ATMs here in our country.
However, Paypal is one of the world’s trusted online Payment Processor that has been here for years and years. So, adding it to the list will be very good improvement to this undergrond economy – where the “so called” modern hereos are not leaving the country. They stay just at home to protect and serve the economy.
I have been in communication with Paypal Support just recently, and they will not be able to have Paypal here in our country – even if Ebay is already here – until our Anti-Money Laundering Laws will strengthen and implementation will be seriously taken care of.
This is just my two cents. Count me in!
Regards,
Darwin
InterNetPreneur
j4s0n » Blog Archive » Paypal In The Philippines
October 6th, 2006 at 3:08 pm
84[...] Transactions, though are not limited to foreign countries only but same applies w/ Filipino to Filipino transactions. I’m sure new business models will come up as soon as Paypal comes here. Now that’s one sure way to improve the philippine economy. [...]
j4s0n
October 7th, 2006 at 1:47 pm
85http://www.jason.com.ph/philippines/paypal-in-the-philippines/
The Mike Abundo Effect
October 7th, 2006 at 4:05 pm
86Ask Google How to Improve the Philippine Economy…
Ask Google how to improve the Philippine economy.
Yup, that’s right: PayPal for the Philippines. We desperately need it to decentralize commerce, globalize prosumers, and unlock the Long Tail of Filipino talent.
Heck, if all the Filipinos using …
Elaine
October 8th, 2006 at 12:51 pm
87I agree. I’ve been waiting for a long time for PayPal to be available in the Philippines. This is probably the right time to make a move. I’m visiting the PayPal for the Philippines website.
secret
October 12th, 2006 at 6:13 am
88Paypal Philippines will go live tonight. It’s only a send money feature and thus the account cannot receive money. Paypal Philippines account can only send up to $500 for the eternity of the account.
Paypal Now in the Philippines! * stellify.net
October 12th, 2006 at 11:01 pm
89[...] With its signature campaign at nearly 1,500 names, JAngelo’s initiative of bringing Paypal to the Philippines has finally become a reality. Philippine accounts can only send money right now, but it’s a good start. Good job, J, and to everyone else who helped out! (Coughs violently) [...]
The Mike Abundo Effect » Blog Archive » PayPal for the Philippines: Send-Only
October 13th, 2006 at 9:17 am
90[...] That’s what we really need to do. [...]
PayPal Philippines? » Migs Paraz - Random Takes
October 16th, 2006 at 10:49 pm
91[...] J. Angelo Racoma has a suggestion: PayPal: One Great Way to Improve the Philippine Economy. [...]
Electronic Payments in the Philippines - It May Not Be As Simple as We Think » The J Spot
October 18th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
92[...] I earlier made a bold claim that having good e-payment facilities here in the country—particularly PayPal—would be beneficial to the Philippine economy. However, it turns out that most players (probably PayPal included) would only be open to servicing the country if they can be mitigate or minimize the risks of fraud. [...]
Anne Marquez
November 1st, 2006 at 11:49 pm
93Couldn’t the Philippines create their own company, with their own software, that is VERY similar to PayPal? If PayPal won’t deal with us, why not create the means ourselves? If the Philippines truly is full of technological talent, then they don’t need to rely on PayPal.
J. Angelo Racoma
November 2nd, 2006 at 12:49 am
94@Anne, I think that’s not far from possible—there are several local companies .(or local companies with international affiliates) that do that already. Thing is, if you have a client who’s a PayPal user, you can’t expect him to have to sign up for yet another service and fill up yet another e-wallet with funds just to pay you. That would be impractical and a turn-off. And what’s sad is that it happens everyday
It’s not a reliance on PayPal, but rather the need for us to be able to participate in what’s a de facto standard means of payment for a good majority (or at least a good number) of netizens.
czarina
November 25th, 2006 at 4:19 pm
95I found site this just recently but have not fully check all the details but it might help you on your online transactions as well as tie it up with paypal. Try reading about “peraAgad”, its one of their products.
http://www.pinoy1xpress.com/?10002503
czarina
November 25th, 2006 at 4:20 pm
96i found this just recently but have not fully check all the details but it might help you on your online transactions as well as tie it up with paypal
http://www.pinoy1xpress.com/?10002503
PayPal for the Philippines! » Crimson Crux
December 11th, 2006 at 5:01 am
97[...] For the poor souls who’ve long waited for PayPal to land at this archipelago, I hate to douse your hopes but this is not the news you’ve been waiting for. Instead, this is in support of my friend and colleague J Angelo Racoma’s call for change in the existing circumstances that render the Philippines “PayPal-unfriendly”: PayPal won’t deal with us. It’s probably because we have a history of having potential for money laundering activities. Or maybe it’s because of poor security in banking or credit card transactions. [...]
yanny
December 26th, 2006 at 10:29 am
98i hope paypal would be fully available in the philippines.. this helps a lot
smith
February 8th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
99The search is over, please check out our services we are a e commerce payment gateway. please email us for demo and application for merchant. http://www.mypayswitch.com , smith@mypayswitch.com contact me 09108826877
For those with entreprenuerial mind in making their website a money making machine. Our office is located at the 18th floor security bank ayala ave makati.
Hope we can serve you better than paypal….
yunz
February 26th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
100nice idea
!i am strongly agree…
may pascua
March 10th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
101Have you tried http://www.mypayswitch.com offered by Smith? Please share what you found out.
sishra
March 10th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
102I hope the primemovers of the Paypal in the Philippines would succeed because this would be of great help to the online store that we are establishing. More power, guys!
mk
March 23rd, 2007 at 6:37 pm
103I agree to this! I want to be able to pay for my own hosting sell my art prints and make money like my online friends. I will link to this and spread the word
Benedict Bueno
March 24th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
104Sad to say.. Just got a chance to chat with a friend and he’s soo pissed off due to chargebacks with paypal payments (from the Philippines, 9 out of 10) and wanted to do partnership instead of direct selling..
I thought the problem was already resolved but it seems that scamming is still rampant.. Seems Asiapay.com.ph would be a solution for better online payment for Filipinos..
Ross
April 17th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
105Count me in. My sites are http://www.webquartet.com and http://www.wealthtutorial.com. I also have a traffic so it can help also. Thanks!
Mamadshah
April 18th, 2007 at 6:48 am
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joanna buenaventura
May 10th, 2007 at 11:43 am
107i totally agree with that. western union and other money transfers are an old-time thing (though it works but yeah, as you said they’re expensive). paypal will make life a lot more convenient for us all not only in terms of money transfer but it’ll pave way for us to make lot more profit.
Ramil
May 15th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
108I’m still suffering the fees that my PayPal partner charge me for receiving my funds.
Any updates when will be the full-fatured paypal available here?
joaquinx
May 24th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
109Ang mga banyaga ay walang tiwala sa atin. Pero dapat hindi tayo susuko. Isusulong natin ang ekonomiya ang Inang Bayan!
Sugod Pinoy Web developers
Sugod Pinoy Designers,
Sugod Pinoy Photographers,
Sugod Pinoy Writers,
Sugod Pinoy Pro-bloggers,
Sugod Pinoy Affiliate Marketers!
emurhfkq
June 22nd, 2007 at 12:54 am
110people are stranger
jensomeone
July 30th, 2007 at 11:12 am
111Hi! I heard that SMART money is in negotiation with PAYPAL
thet
September 27th, 2007 at 8:58 am
112I couldn’t agree more…I had to use my fiance’s paypal pa in order to receive payment from my online transactions..hassle naman…
ironically, ang call center ng PayPal eh nasa Makati lang…LOL
Blog Addicts » Paypal opens up to RP users, but local bloggers not happy
October 2nd, 2007 at 9:42 pm
113[...] “If only we had PayPal in the Philippines, then I think we would be able to open to the world better means to access to our pool of talent. In the course of my freelance work as a writer/blogger I’ve had clients who paid via money transfer and it took days, and it was expensive. Xoom? It’s a good mid-way solution, but still not as convenient as having the real deal (PayPal). After all, they still get a cut, and the paying party still has to register for an account, where his PayPal details would then be keyed in,” he said in his blog. [...]
Global Voices Online » Philippines: Filipinos Excited Over Expanded Paypal Access
October 4th, 2007 at 8:10 am
114[...] J Spot, who led a campaign last year to demand full Paypal services for Filipinos, has long explained the benefits: Having PayPal in the country would greatly benefit the following [...]
Dennison Uy - Graphic Designer
October 6th, 2007 at 4:54 am
115You can now withdraw Paypal accounts in the Philippines! http://blog.codesignstudios.com/2007/10/06/now-available-paypal-philippines/
joaquinx
October 6th, 2007 at 7:54 pm
116may paypal na tayo


! er… can somebody kindly recommend what online programs can we joins to earn $$$$$ through paypal???? KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
International Depository Receipt
October 10th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
117Great post about One Great Way to Improve the Philippine Economy | The J Spot!
dreison27
December 17th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
118Yes…I’m a web developer/designer and having paypal will open doors for Home based Jobs and the like…it will be very convenient and we wouldn’t have to go abroad to work at a high paying salary…
peypal
January 1st, 2008 at 4:07 am
119ok.. so there’s paypal… but does it help the ordinary Juan? i guess not.. can’t buy balot or pisbol using paypal… geez..
HsvsRsvsesv
January 19th, 2008 at 9:13 am
120men’s helth
Jepot
February 1st, 2008 at 9:05 am
121Why do you always want to help the ordinary Juan only? If it could help Filipinos then why not. Balut and pisbol are not the only merchandise and talent of Filipinos can offer.